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	<description>I donâ€™t suffer from insanity, I enjoy every second of it.</description>
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		<title>By: LG</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>LG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 19:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, you've just been beaten to a pulp.</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Bellum</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bellum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or you can trust Skoker's legal advice. Maybe he'll even represent you in court :P

Ignorance of the law is no defence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or you can trust Skoker&#8217;s legal advice. Maybe he&#8217;ll even represent you in court <img src='http://amacgenius.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ignorance of the law is no defence.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Bellum</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Bellum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's still illegal.

Here's NY State's laws on gambling and wagering:

1. A raffle shall mean and include those games of chance in which a  participant pays money in return for a ticket or other receipt and in which  a prize is awarded on the basis of a winning number or numbers, color or colors,  or symbol or symbols designated on the ticket or receipt, determined by chance  as a result of a drawing from among those tickets or receipts previously sold.

2. What about "50/50" and "split pot"? Are these considered raffles?
Yes. These activities are defined as raffles and are subject to the registration and licensing requirements listed below. Every "50/50" raffle  (and all other raffles) must be properly listed on the organization's  GCVS-1, GCVS-2 and if applicable, the GC-7R. All proceeds from all  "50/50" raffles (and all proceeds from all other raffles) are required  to be deposited into the organization's special raffle or games of  chance checking account. All raffle proceeds are then to be disbursed  according to NYS Games of Chance Rules and Regulations section 5624.21, "lawful expenditures".¬¨‚Ä†

3. Who is eligible to conduct a raffle?
Raffles may be conducted by "authorized organizations" who have applied for and received a games of chance identification number from the NYS Racing and Wagering Board.¬¨‚Ä†

"Authorized organizations" are defined in part to include bona fide  religious or charitable organizations, bona fide educational, fraternal or  service organizations or bona fide organizations of veterans or volunteer  firefighters that operate without profit to their members.¬¨‚Ä†

In order for an organization to be eligible for a games of chance identification  number, the organization must be domiciled in a municipality that has passed a  local games of chance law. It is unlawful to conduct a raffle in a municipality  that has not passed a local games of chance law. Furthermore, individuals and  commercial businesses are not eligible for games of chance identification numbers  and are restricted by law from conducting any type of raffle.¬¨‚Ä†

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9. Can minors sell or purchase raffle tickets? 
No. It is unlawful for persons under 18 years of age to sell or purchase raffle tickets.¬¨‚Ä†


10. Where can raffle tickets be sold? 
Raffle tickets may be sold in the municipality where the organization  is domiciled. Under certain circumstances raffle tickets may be sold  in other municipalities. Raffle tickets may be sold in other municipalities  in the organization's home county and in other municipalities in contiguous  counties from the organization's home county only if a local games of chance  law has been passed in each particular municipality where the organization  intends to sell raffle tickets. The clerk in each particular  municipality where the organization intends to sell raffle tickets must complete a Raffle Consent Form (form GC-RCF) allowing the organization  to sell its raffle tickets in that particular municipality.¬¨‚Ä†

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17. Are organizations required to have certain information printed on raffle tickets? 
Yes. Raffle tickets, with the exception of the two-part "admission-style"  tickets utilized in the game commonly known as a "50/50 raffle" shall reflect the following:¬¨‚Ä†¬¨‚Ä†


Name and identification number of the authorized organization;

The location(s), date(s) and time(s) of the drawing(s);

The consecutively printed serial number of the ticket;

The price of the ticket;

A list of the prizes offered;

The statement: "Ticket holders need not be present to win."

Each ticket stub or receipt shall reflect the name, address and telephone number of the ticket purchaser and the consecutively printed serial number of the ticket.

excerpted from:
http://www.racing.state.ny.us/charitable/faqs_raffle.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still illegal.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s NY State&#8217;s laws on gambling and wagering:</p>
<p>1. A raffle shall mean and include those games of chance in which a  participant pays money in return for a ticket or other receipt and in which  a prize is awarded on the basis of a winning number or numbers, color or colors,  or symbol or symbols designated on the ticket or receipt, determined by chance  as a result of a drawing from among those tickets or receipts previously sold.</p>
<p>2. What about &#8220;50/50&#8243; and &#8220;split pot&#8221;? Are these considered raffles?<br />
Yes. These activities are defined as raffles and are subject to the registration and licensing requirements listed below. Every &#8220;50/50&#8243; raffle  (and all other raffles) must be properly listed on the organization&#8217;s  GCVS-1, GCVS-2 and if applicable, the GC-7R. All proceeds from all  &#8220;50/50&#8243; raffles (and all proceeds from all other raffles) are required  to be deposited into the organization&#8217;s special raffle or games of  chance checking account. All raffle proceeds are then to be disbursed  according to NYS Games of Chance Rules and Regulations section 5624.21, &#8220;lawful expenditures&#8221;.¬¨‚Ä†</p>
<p>3. Who is eligible to conduct a raffle?<br />
Raffles may be conducted by &#8220;authorized organizations&#8221; who have applied for and received a games of chance identification number from the NYS Racing and Wagering Board.¬¨‚Ä†</p>
<p>&#8220;Authorized organizations&#8221; are defined in part to include bona fide  religious or charitable organizations, bona fide educational, fraternal or  service organizations or bona fide organizations of veterans or volunteer  firefighters that operate without profit to their members.¬¨‚Ä†</p>
<p>In order for an organization to be eligible for a games of chance identification  number, the organization must be domiciled in a municipality that has passed a  local games of chance law. It is unlawful to conduct a raffle in a municipality  that has not passed a local games of chance law. Furthermore, individuals and  commercial businesses are not eligible for games of chance identification numbers  and are restricted by law from conducting any type of raffle.¬¨‚Ä†</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>9. Can minors sell or purchase raffle tickets?<br />
No. It is unlawful for persons under 18 years of age to sell or purchase raffle tickets.¬¨‚Ä†</p>
<p>10. Where can raffle tickets be sold?<br />
Raffle tickets may be sold in the municipality where the organization  is domiciled. Under certain circumstances raffle tickets may be sold  in other municipalities. Raffle tickets may be sold in other municipalities  in the organization&#8217;s home county and in other municipalities in contiguous  counties from the organization&#8217;s home county only if a local games of chance  law has been passed in each particular municipality where the organization  intends to sell raffle tickets. The clerk in each particular  municipality where the organization intends to sell raffle tickets must complete a Raffle Consent Form (form GC-RCF) allowing the organization  to sell its raffle tickets in that particular municipality.¬¨‚Ä†</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>17. Are organizations required to have certain information printed on raffle tickets?<br />
Yes. Raffle tickets, with the exception of the two-part &#8220;admission-style&#8221;  tickets utilized in the game commonly known as a &#8220;50/50 raffle&#8221; shall reflect the following:¬¨‚Ä†¬¨‚Ä†</p>
<p>Name and identification number of the authorized organization;</p>
<p>The location(s), date(s) and time(s) of the drawing(s);</p>
<p>The consecutively printed serial number of the ticket;</p>
<p>The price of the ticket;</p>
<p>A list of the prizes offered;</p>
<p>The statement: &#8220;Ticket holders need not be present to win.&#8221;</p>
<p>Each ticket stub or receipt shall reflect the name, address and telephone number of the ticket purchaser and the consecutively printed serial number of the ticket.</p>
<p>excerpted from:<br />
<a href="http://www.racing.state.ny.us/charitable/faqs_raffle.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.racing.state.ny.us/charitable/faqs_raffle.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got to say Larry, you've tempted me here. :) 

Any idea how much it'd cost to ship a Mac mini to England? I'll probably enter unless it'd cost $100 or something to ship the potential prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to say Larry, you&#8217;ve tempted me here. <img src='http://amacgenius.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Any idea how much it&#8217;d cost to ship a Mac mini to England? I&#8217;ll probably enter unless it&#8217;d cost $100 or something to ship the potential prize.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Anderson</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you paul, many people don't understand that.</description>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I think some of you may not get the finer points of raffling. I can't speak to Laurence's motives, but typically a raffle is held to make money... not break even. The whole idea is to sell more tickets than the prize is worth. The raffle holder raises money for themselves, or others, and the raffle winner get's a prize that would typically cost much more than the price of a ticket. That's what raffles are all about. Think about it... if an organization is holding a raffle, it usually means they are trying to raise money for something... right? As long as the contest is fair, it can hardly be called a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I think some of you may not get the finer points of raffling. I can&#8217;t speak to Laurence&#8217;s motives, but typically a raffle is held to make money&#8230; not break even. The whole idea is to sell more tickets than the prize is worth. The raffle holder raises money for themselves, or others, and the raffle winner get&#8217;s a prize that would typically cost much more than the price of a ticket. That&#8217;s what raffles are all about. Think about it&#8230; if an organization is holding a raffle, it usually means they are trying to raise money for something&#8230; right? As long as the contest is fair, it can hardly be called a scam.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Anderson</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ok i just noticed that it‚Äö?Ñ?¥s only a 1.25 ghz Mini. A 1.25 only costs $499, but you are trying to get $750??? i could understand if the extra money was going to a charity or something, but you‚Äö?Ñ?¥re just pocketing it aren‚Äö?Ñ?¥t you? man what a scam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Timmay! I picked the number 150 at random, I realize that it comes out to $750, should all 150 tickets sell, I will upgrade the model of the mini, that was supposed to be a surprise but I might as well tell you now seeing as you're commenting about it, as for if all 150 tickets don't sell I'll bump up the percentage to 80% because the leftover will be considered a donation to the site for hosting bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-"><p>ok i just noticed that it‚Äö?Ñ?¥s only a 1.25 ghz Mini. A 1.25 only costs $499, but you are trying to get $750??? i could understand if the extra money was going to a charity or something, but you‚Äö?Ñ?¥re just pocketing it aren‚Äö?Ñ?¥t you? man what a scam.</p>
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<p>Timmay! I picked the number 150 at random, I realize that it comes out to $750, should all 150 tickets sell, I will upgrade the model of the mini, that was supposed to be a surprise but I might as well tell you now seeing as you&#8217;re commenting about it, as for if all 150 tickets don&#8217;t sell I&#8217;ll bump up the percentage to 80% because the leftover will be considered a donation to the site for hosting bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmay!</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmay!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok i just noticed that it's only a 1.25 ghz Mini. A 1.25 only costs $499, but you are trying to get $750??? i could understand if the extra money was going to a charity or something, but you're just pocketing it aren't you? man what a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok i just noticed that it&#8217;s only a 1.25 ghz Mini. A 1.25 only costs $499, but you are trying to get $750??? i could understand if the extra money was going to a charity or something, but you&#8217;re just pocketing it aren&#8217;t you? man what a scam.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmay!</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmay!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um.. wtf? how come you keep 25% of the pot if there's not enough money to purchase the mini? thats like... a big percentage. The winner should get AT LEAST 90%, although to be completely fair it should be the full 100%!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um.. wtf? how come you keep 25% of the pot if there&#8217;s not enough money to purchase the mini? thats like&#8230; a big percentage. The winner should get AT LEAST 90%, although to be completely fair it should be the full 100%!</p>
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		<title>By: one digital life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; mini Raffle</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>one digital life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; mini Raffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Want to win a Mac mini? amacgenius.com is raffling one off for $5/ticket. Please make sure to check out the rules listed on the raffle page. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Want to win a Mac mini? amacgenius.com is raffling one off for $5/ticket. Please make sure to check out the rules listed on the raffle page. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Anderson</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-282</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is perfectly legal, but you need to keep a list of all ticket holders that is publicly accessible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Thank you skoker, that's why there is a status page, just look under &lt;b&gt;Pages&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-"><p>This is perfectly legal, but you need to keep a list of all ticket holders that is publicly accessible.</p>
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<p>Thank you skoker, that&#8217;s why there is a status page, just look under <b>Pages</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Anderson</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plan was to sell all 150 tickets so the winner would get the Mini instead of a sum of money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plan was to sell all 150 tickets so the winner would get the Mini instead of a sum of money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TMac</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>TMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh I see. You're makig out with quite a sum of money then ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh I see. You&#8217;re makig out with quite a sum of money then <img src='http://amacgenius.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Anderson</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wait a sec, we all make 75% of the total pot? So if 100 tickets are purchased, we each get $375? Or is it that one person (i.e. the winner) makes 75% of the total pot?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No TMac, the winner of the raffle &lt;b&gt;would have&lt;/b&gt; gotten 75% of the funds if not enough tickets were purchased.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-"><p>Wait a sec, we all make 75% of the total pot? So if 100 tickets are purchased, we each get $375? Or is it that one person (i.e. the winner) makes 75% of the total pot?</p>
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<p>No TMac, the winner of the raffle <b>would have</b> gotten 75% of the funds if not enough tickets were purchased.</p>
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		<title>By: TMac</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>TMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well if I do not sell enough tickets to purchase the prize  you will win 75% of all the money made on these tickets, and that‚Äö?Ñ?¥s still good because you make back your ticket money plus more&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait a sec, we all make 75% of the total pot? So if 100 tickets are purchased, we each get $375? Or is it that one person (i.e. the winner) makes 75% of the total pot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-"><p>Well if I do not sell enough tickets to purchase the prize  you will win 75% of all the money made on these tickets, and that‚Äö?Ñ?¥s still good because you make back your ticket money plus more</p>
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<p>Wait a sec, we all make 75% of the total pot? So if 100 tickets are purchased, we each get $375? Or is it that one person (i.e. the winner) makes 75% of the total pot?</p>
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		<title>By: DJLC</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>DJLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No - if anyone is an idiot, it's me!</description>
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		<title>By: skoker</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>skoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is perfectly legal, but you need to keep a list of all ticket holders that is publicly accessible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is perfectly legal, but you need to keep a list of all ticket holders that is publicly accessible.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Anderson</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No advantages for anybody, the only way to "&lt;i&gt;tilt the scales&lt;/i&gt;" is to buy as many tickets as you can.

&lt;b&gt;The more tickets you buy, the better your chances at winning!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No advantages for anybody, the only way to &#8220;<i>tilt the scales</i>&#8221; is to buy as many tickets as you can.</p>
<p><b>The more tickets you buy, the better your chances at winning!</b></p>
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		<title>By: DJLC</title>
		<link>http://amacgenius.com/archive/72/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>DJLC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll buy a few - IF you tilt the scales in my favor :P .</description>
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